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Poster: smgarcia Date: Jul 1, 2009 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-09-14 - Olympia Halle, Munich

No! I'm definitely not being facetious...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jul 1, 2009 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-09-14 - Olympia Halle, Munich

My take on this show is entirely different...

I'll go as far as to say this might be the worst performance of 1974. The band totally mailed it in, almost for the entire show, and certainly the second set. Where is Jer during the second set? They completely skipped the jam!

Lesh and Kreutzmann almost came to blows with the band's management just prior to this show. This was a dark tour for the band. You had it right with "baked and fried," "crappy shows," and "a little weak..."

Sorry dude, Munich is a trainwreck. Luckily they pulled it together a bit in France...

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jul 1, 2009 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-09-14 - Olympia Halle, Munich

Interesting info, because the tapes by Kidd from this tour are incredible in their clarity. We've heard the same tales, in particular manic fury off-stage from Billy The drummer, a sometimes hateful fellow, and lots of crazy road energy. Too many hotel rooms, too much coke and women. A spotty comeback from the Europe 72 masterpieces just a few years before.

Again though, the 74 Europe recordings by Kidd equal some of Bear's works as far as seperation and levels.

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Poster: Arck Date: Jul 1, 2009 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-09-14 - Olympia Halle, Munich

Sorry to sound like a noob (I am a noob) but can anyone post a link to any info re: the 74 European tour. I'm not familiar with the stories, tales, background, other than that it was a tough tour that took its toll and, seemingly, convinced them to "retire". I'd be keen to read any past discussions or recollections anyone has about the tour online. 1974 is a year I'm not especially familiar with, particlarly the September and October shows. I find some of the 74 stuff a bit...slow? I'm not sure that's the right word but sometimes they seem a bit distant. I'm definitely more of a 72 person, then 73, with 74 my least favourite. As I said though, I'm a lot less famliar with it and quite open to convincing.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Jul 1, 2009 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1974-09-14 - Olympia Halle, Munich

??? The worst performance? Of the 6 shows they played in May 1974, 8 of them were bad, and one was pretty good (Adams).

I've never been on a polar opposite end with respect to a show. I spent about an hour in the car and thought that Munich show was fabulous. Now I know that Europe tour was full of shenanigans, too much coke (and that explains the euphoric nature of the show as that can only be caused by coke, amphetamines, or PCP [of the commonly used drugs] and the boys didn't use PCP), although I don't remember the specifics behind that show. Is that the one where the band dosed the German police guards beer with the liquid LSD?

I'm listening to Sugaree again and it's great...the little creative motifs by Phil and Keith, also Jerry of course really make it a great show.

FYI I also like 6/26, 8/4, 6/18, 6/23, 7/19...are these shows also shitty in your book?